HomeMy WebLinkAbout11-26-2002 PC MinutesA regular meeting of the City of Dublin Planning Commission was held on Tuesday, November 26,
2002, in the Dublin Civic Center City Council Chambers. Chairperson Johnson called the meeting
to order at 7:00 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Present: Commissioners, Johnson, Jennings, Musser, Fasulkey, and Nassar; Eddie Peabody Jr.,
Community Development Director; Jeri Ram, Planning Manager; Julia Abdala, Housing Specialist;
Janet Harbin, Senior Planner; Michael Porto, Planning Consultant; and Autumn McGrath,
Recording Secretary
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG
Cm. Johnson led the Commission, Staff, and those present in the pledge of allegiance to the flag.
ADDITIONS OR REVISIONS TO THE AGENDA -
The Agenda was revised to move Item 8.3 (PA 02-050) to be heard before Item 8.1.
The Minutes of October 22, 2002 meeting were approved as submitted.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS - None
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS - None
PUBLIC HEARING
8.3
PA 02-050 - Sybase Master Sign Program Amendment - Request of Master Sign Program
Amendment approval for the additional exterior sign on pre-cast panel above 6th floor on
south side of Sybase Building A at 5050 Hacienda Drive
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Cm. Johnson opened the public hearing.
Mr. Porto presented the Staff Report and gave an overview of the project.
Cm. Johnson asked if the applicant, Mr. Ernest Piccone, Director of Facilities for Sybase, Inc., had
any comments.
Mr. Piccone stated that there was a need for westbound traffic on Dublin Boulevard and
northbound on Hacienda Drive to be able to view both buildings and recognize them as Sybase
buildings. He stated that the traffic from those directions could not see any signage on the Sybase
Building A, and that it was their desire for traffic to have visibility of Sybase signage on both
buildings. Mr. Piccone discussed the design of the sign that Sybase would like to have approved,
and said that they worked with both the architect who designed the building and the sign designer
who designed the signage currently on the building. He stated that because the location of the area
for the sign and the shape of the building were awkward to deal with, they worked on several
schemes before they designed the sign presented to the City. He stated that they objected to Staff's
recommendation because it reduced the size of the sign compared to the existing sign by 33%, and
they are concerned that the new sign would be out of proportion and not readable from a distance.
He requested that the Commission consider the proposal for the sign and approve it as presented
by Sybase.
Cm. Johnson asked, since the new sign would not have the logo, if it would it conform to the
copyright rules and regulations of the Corporation.
Mr. Piccone stated that Sybase could use the name without the logo, and had confirmed it with
their department who handled the program.
Cm. Johnson asked if Sybase had monument signs.
Mr. Piccone replied that there were small directional signs leading to and from the parking lots, and
a sign mounted on the ground at the corner of Hacienda Drive and Dublin Boulevard and another
sign at the corner of Hacienda Drive and Central Parkway.
Cm. Johnson asked if the proposed sign was for the building on the eastern corner of the Sybase
property and was it visible from Hacienda.
Mr. Piccone stated that it faced Dublin Boulevard, and it had been verified that the area for the sign
was visible to traffic.
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Cm. Johnson asked if there were any questions from the Commission or Staff. There were no
further questions.
Cm. Jennings stated that she agreed with Staff, and believed that the sign is of sufficient size as
proposed by Staff since Sybase had other signs that clearly identified the buildings.
Cm. Johnson stated that he also agreed with Staff, and found that the smaller sign would be more
appropriate.
Cm Jennings mentioned that Staff had discussed options with the applicant and made their
recommendation.
Mr. Piccone explained the existing signs and that they were expensive due to the shape and design
of the building.
Cm. Nassar asked Staff if there had been consideration for a change in the color of the sign.
Mr. Porto stated that there had been no recommendation for change in style or color to allow
Sybase to maintain their Corporate identification.
Cm. Johnson asked if anyone wished to address the Commission; hearing no requests, he closed the
public hearing and requested a motion.
On motion by Cm. Jennings, seconded by Cm. Nassar, and a vote of 5-0, the Planning Commission
unanimously approved:
RESOLUTION NO. 02-42
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN
APPROVING PA 02-50, AMENDMENT TO SYBASE MASTER SIGN PROGRAM
(PREVIOUS PA 99-062)
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PA 02-015 - Hansen Hill/Ranch Fire Buffer Zone Relocation (Dan Pistone) - Site
Development Review to Relocate Fire Buffer Zone within residential lots to a location
adjacent to residential lots in the Hansen Hill/Ranch development in the West Dublin
hillside area. Site addresses: 10872, 10876, 10880, 10884, 10888, 10890, 10894, & 10898
Inspiration Circle, Assessor Parcel Numbers: 941-2808-1 & -2; 941-2808-10 to -15
Cm. Johnson opened the public hearing.
Ms. Harbin presented the Staff Report, gave an overview of the project and explained the map of
the sites under consideration. She discussed the fact that the property owners were currently
restricted from installing any improvements in the firebreak areas, and that if the Commission
would approve the site development review, the Homeowners' Association would take this action
for a vote by all the residents in the development. She explained that the site development review,
even if approved by the Commission, would not take effect until the Homeowners' Association
voted on the action.
Cm. Musser expressed concern that if the Commission would approve the site development
request, the Homeowners' Association could reject it.
Ms. Harbin answered that if the Homeowners' Association rejected it, then the approval of the
Planning Commission would not be valid, and the applicant would have to remove the
improvements made to his yard in the fire buffer zone.
Mr. Dan Pistone stated that he was the applicant and that he also represented the eight
homeowners (eight lots) who are requesting the site development review as a joint community. He
emphasized the fire safety issue, which was the primary concern for the homes in this area, the
Homeowners' Association, the members and the City. He explained that currently these eight
homes have existing fences within the firebreak, and said that there was a fire condition that does
not meet the City's Fire Management Code. He stated that, in addition to the ability to improve
and fully utilize their properties, they would like to reestablish a boundary that clearly outlined the
fire buffer zone and would not infringe on their properties. He advised the Commission that he
and the other homeowners in the action would like to put the firebreak on the perimeter of the
property as required by the City's Revised Appealable Action Letter dated July 10, 1997 (which
outlined the plan to have a firebreak on the perimeter of the property for the original subdivision).
Cm. Johnson asked if the fences were in place prior to the firebreak, and if the firebreak area was
maintained by the Homeowners' Association.
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Mr. Pistone said that in some areas the firebreak zigzags inside the fence of four of the properties.
Cm. Johnson asked for confirmation from Mr. Pistone that, despite whether the firebreak zigzags,
the fence was there at the time the homes were purchased and the homeowners were made aware
that the firebreak was 15 feet and would be maintained by the Homeowners' Association. Cm.
Johnson remarked that this type of firebreak is common in the City and other residential tracts,
such as Koopman, also have firebreaks like theirs.
Ms. Jennings asked if Mr. Pistone knew about the firebreak when he bought the property.
Mr. Pistone said that he was provided with a map, but that the map was "skewed" in relation to the
actual property. He believed he could improve his property, yet discovered that the Jacuzzi was in
the firebreak area when he had surveying work performed.
Cm. Johnson asked if he had permits for all the work performed on his property.
Mr. Pistone said that he did not have permits for all of the work, but had permits for the pool and
the Jacuzzi. He commented that the reason for not obtaining all the permits was likely due to his
contractor's oversight or attempt to cut costs.
Cm. Jennings asked the audience if there was a spokesperson present from the Homeowners'
Association.
Mr. David Larsen, Attorney for Hansen Ranch Homeowners' Association, spoke and explained
that his firm represented the Board of Director's of the Homeowners' Association. He stated that
the Board does not oppose the application and had cooperated with the Association members who
had filed the application. He advised the Commission that the full Board was present at the
hearing.
Mr. Larsen discussed the fact that the Hansen Ranch subdivision was originally approved with
some firebreaks located inside the back yards of individual lots. However, the CC&R's appear to
assume that all firebreaks are located outside the back yards as they prohibit individual members
from building structures or making improvements including landscaping therein and require the
Homeowner's Association to maintain the firebreak. He gave instances of individuals who have
removed fences to make improvements, noting that one of these cases involved mediation during
which the Association agreed to several items with respect to the application.
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Mr. Larsen noted that one agreement by the Association was to conduct an informal poll of the
association membership to determine the degree of interest in the firebreak issues. He mentioned
that the poll was conducted in May 2002, and at that time there were 19 votes in favor of and 63
votes against allowing portions of the firebreaks to be moved from private property to Association
common areas (with a total of 180 possible).
Mr. Larsen stated that as part of the mediation, the Association also agreed that in the event that the
City approved the application, the Board would conduct a formal vote of the association
membership to determine if the membership wanted to amend the CC&Rs in order to implement
the City approval. In exchange, the involved property owner agreed to obtain City approval of the
application.
Cm. Jennings asked about the responsibility of the fees that would be incurred by the filing and
recording of the new CC&Rs to the County and questioned whether these costs would be paid for
out of the homeowners' dues.
Mr. Larsen said that the Board had taken the position that the costs to make these changes would be
the responsibility of the applicants; thereby no costs would be paid from the Association dues for
this action and the costs would be assessed against the eight property owners making the
application.
Cm. Jennings asked if the cost of moving the fences would also be the responsibility of the eight
property owners making the application.
Mr. Larsen stated that was correct.
Cm. Johnson asked how many lots were in the entire project and how many had the possibility of
moving their fences to the fire buffer zone.
Mr. Larsen stated that of the 180 homes, approximately 40 homes would have the possibility of
moving their fences.
Cm. Johnson questioned if there would be 15 feet beyond any fence line that would allow a fire
buffer zone.
Mr. Larsen said, at this point, they did not know that answer. He stated that if this application
were approved, this would open the door to future property owners to apply to the Planning
Commission for a site design review and also to apply to the Homeowners' Association on a case-
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by-case basis. During that process, if there were not adequate room beyond the fence to move the
fire buffer zone, those applicants would not be approved.
Ms. Jennings asked about the previous poll regarding moving the firebreak, and questioned
whether there had been another vote since last summer to determine if there had been a large
change in sentiment.
Mr. Larsen confirmed that there had only been one vote taken.
Cm. Fasulkey asked how conditional was the case by case, and would that apply to these lots in the
application.
Mr. Larsen stated that these eight lots were applying together to the City, and the Association
would review it in the same way. If one of the eight lots were removed, the flow of fence line
would be broken up. Therefore, the eight lots were a joint application and would be treated as one
applicant.
Cm. Nassar asked if the Board supported moving the firebreak.
Mr. Larsen said that the Board did not oppose the application and had agreed during mediation to
cooperate with the processing of the application. He stated that among the Board members there
was a division about how these issues should be handled.
Cm. Nassar asked if the City's approval would affect the Board's vote.
Mr. Larsen stated that it was the Board's responsibility to conduct the vote as in any other case
without influencing the membership, and that the membership would ultimately decide to go
forward with the application.
Cm. Johnson began to call the speakers.
Mr. Sheldon Schachter spoke and explained where his lot was in relation to the applicants' lots. He
stated that he was in favor of moving the firebreak but that he is not a combative person in this
application. He said that, beyond the fence, there was a steep hill and his property extended fifteen
feet beyond his fence into the steep hill, which he was not aware of at the time he purchased his
home.
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Mr. Schachter stated that a neighbor had already built out on this steep incline and this may have
clouded the reasons why he and the other applicants wanted to move the firebreak. He stated that
he would like to have the fence moved so that he could reach the area to keep it cleaner than it is
currently kept by the scheduled clean up and maintain his own property for the safety of his family.
Cm Johnson said that if the firebreaks were moved, the speaker would be responsible to keep the
area clean.
Mr. Schachter said he would like to have the responsibility to care for his own property.
Mr. Mark Foster spoke and explained where his lot was in relation to the applicants' lots. He stated
that he was in favor of moving the firebreak and that by moving it, he would be able to improve the
area.
Mr. Rob McGee spoke and explained where his lot was in relation to the applicants' lots. He said
that he was not involved in this application, but was in favor of moving the firebreak. He stated
that he was not affected by having a firebreak within his property line, but expressed concern that
firebreaks contained within property lines affect the safety of the whole community by bringing the
fire buffer zone that much closer to the combustible material, their homes. He also stated that he
felt that property values would be affected since he had not realized during the purchase of his
home that the firebreak would run through yards, and felt that potential buyers may not be
inclined to buy a home with a firebreak running through the yard.
Cm. Johnson said that many homes in Dublin had firebreaks and kept them clean and thereby,
improved the areas.
Ms. Ligaya MacGregor spoke and related where she lived in Hansen Ranch. She stated that she
was not a combatant in this issue since she did not live in the specific area in review, but stated that
she was against moving the firebreak. She said she felt that this was a rules and regulations
problem, not just a fire safety issue. She expressed concern that some of the homeowners have not
obtained permits and then wanted to use this application as a way to go around the system.
Mr. David Kruss, President of Hansen Ranch Homeowners' Association, spoke and explained that
the Board had a mediation meeting last year to have Mr. Pistone resolve his issues with the City
regarding the requirement for him to obtain permits for his construction. He felt they had given
him enough time to have him resolve these issues. However, the City had found there to be more
issues than just permits, and worked very hard to reach a compromise for this type of problem.
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Mr. Kruss stated that as a homeowner, and not the President of the Board, he was opposed to
having the firebreak moved, and that he had a problem with someone who signed a contract,
accepting the CC&R's, and then would not adhere to it. He stated that Mr. Pistone had been doing
construction for two years, and had not abided by the rules, in particular the rule that prevented
any improvements in the firebreak (even within the property line).
Mr. Kruss said that he had statements and concerns regarding Conditions 13, 14, and 15 that outline
a process that would allow amendments to the CC&Rs. He stated that he felt the language in the
conditions was restrictive. Mr. Kruss also discussed Condition 17, stating that there was concern
about the side fences.
Cm. Johnson stated that the issue at hand was whether the Commission would decide if the
firebreak should be moved back to the property line or not. He said, at that point, it would be up to
the Homeowners' Association to decide whether they would be willing to accept it or not.
Ms. Ram confirmed that point, and clarified that Staff normally does not have a timeline in their
conditions. She stated that Staff works with people, and that when the Homeowners' Association
has a draft of the language they want to implement, they should submit it to Staff for review to
ensure agreeable language.
Ms. Lisa Alfar spoke and explained where her lot was in relation to the applicants' lots. She stated
that she was in favor of moving the firebreak. She informed the Commission that she had removed
her fence in August of 2001 and had planted and irrigated the area. However, she stated that the
Homeowners' Association brought an enforcement action against her for lowering the fence and
planting the area, and forced her to remove the fence. She stated that now that her home is for sale,
she was having disclosure problems since there were issues with the Homeowners' Association.
She also noted that potential buyers have expressed the desire to use the land down to the property
line, and there was concern that the firebreak runs through her back lawn.
Mr. James Jarzub stated that he had at one time intended to buy a home in this area, but due to
disclosures of the firebreak, he bought elsewhere where there were no firebreaks to maintain. As a
professional Planner who worked 12 years for a Regional Planning Commission in Illinois and the
Vice-President of the Homeowners' Association, he expressed his concerns that with such steep
hills near a fault line, there were fire and earthquake safety issues. He agreed that homeowners
should be able to use all the property on their lots, but when there are easement regulations such as
firebreaks, they should be adhered to. He stated that there is not enough information from the
studies conducted to determine the true fire and earthquake safety requirements to make a decision
at this time and that he was opposed to moving the firebreak.
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Ms. Helen Ivanov spoke and explained where her lot was in relation to the applicants' lots. She
explained that her lot had unusable area and that the firebreak area had not been maintained.
Cm. Johnson explained that all maintenance of the firebreak was the responsibility of the
Homeowners' Association, and that any issues should be directed to them.
Ms. Ram stated that the homeowners were often unable to determine where the property line was
in relation to the fire buffer zone, because in some cases the firebreak followed the fence and other
times it would not.
Cm. Johnson recalled Mr. Pistone for questions about the sloping of his property.
Mr. Pistone stated that he did have a slope, and that they installed a vanishing-edge pool, which
required grading of the property. There was additional grading to install retaining walls on the
property.
Other homeowners from the area confirmed that they also had slopes on their properties. There
was a general discussion about hill steepness and sloping.
Cm. Johnson asked if there were any other questions or comments. He asked if anyone else from
the public wished to speak and hearing no requests, he closed the public hearing. He stated that
the Commission would deliberate on the issue
Upon deliberation, Cm. Johnson stated that he did not object to moving the fence lines and the
firebreaks, and recommended that the Commission approve this application.
Cm. Nassar stated that the City would approve the application, but that the Homeowners'
Association must then decide whether or not to approve the fire buffer zone change. He
questioned if there would be any negative impact by the fire buffer zone change.
Ms. Harbin stated that the change would not have any negative environmental or fire safety
impact.
Cm. Johnson asked for a motion.
On motion by Cm. Musser, seconded by Cm. Nassar, and a vote of 4-1, the Planning Commission
approved:
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RESOLUTION NO. 02-41
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN
APPROVING THE SITE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR RELOCATION OF A PORTION OF
THE HANSEN HILL RANCH FIRE BUFFER ZONE (DANIEL PISTONE)
PA 02-015
8.2
PA 01-038 - A Resolution recommending changes to the Dublin Municipal Code, Zoning
Ordinance Section 8.68 (Inclusionary Zoning Regulations) regarding changes to priorities
used in the selection of occupants for Inclusionary Affordable Units, the percentage of
household income allowed for the housing expenses; and land dedication requirements in
lieu of building affordable units
Cm. Johnson opened the public hearing.
Mr. Peabody Jr. presented the Staff Report and gave an overview of the project. He then
introduced Ms. Abdala.
Ms. Abdala discussed the amendments to the Inclusionary Ordinance: The first amendment would
change, on ownership units, the amount of household income allowed for consideration to 35%
percent. She stated that all Bay Area cities with Inclusionary Ordinances had been contacted and it
was determined that many of them used 35% for ownership Inclusionary units.
Ms. Abdala stated that the second amendment would change the qualification requirements, and
referenced Attachment 1 of the Staff Report for examples of qualification. She asked if there were
questions.
Cm. Fasulkey asked if children were factored into the equation for income qualification.
Ms. Abdala said that they are factored into as part of the household size, so larger bedroom units
would be for families with children or larger households.
Cm. Jennings asked if the Task Force had considered providing extra points toward qualification
for teachers, firemen, policemen, public employees, etc. who lived in Dublin. She stated that she
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would have expected these positions would have had special consideration due to their service-
based status.
Ms. Abdala stated that those positions did not receive extra points, but that Staff had taken the
recommendation of the Task Force and those experienced with Inclusionary housing, and
simplified the categories. Examples were shown on Attachment 1.
Mr. Peabody discussed the third amendment to the Inclusionary Ordinance, and referenced the
Staff report. He reminded the Commission of the adoption of the Inclusionary program by the City
Council (Council) this year; and discussed the Land Dedication program in-lieu of building under
the Inclusionary Ordinance. He advised the Commission that the Council had directed Staff to
prepare different options for consideration by the Commission and the Council for amendment of
the Land Development section.
Mr. Peabody provided a presentation and discussed the three options for consideration, and the
respective advantages & disadvantages. He stated that the Council would ultimately decide about
the land dedication, but informed the Commission that Staff recommended approval of the Option
3 from the Staff report for amendment to the Land Development section of the Ordinance.
There was general discussion by the Commissioners regarding the options for land dedication, and
there was an understanding that land dedication would not be used frequently, as builders would
opt to build affordable housing except in the highest price home developments or extremely small
projects.
Cm. Fasulkey asked about the land dedication facilitation, and if it would require the City to find
Sites for the land dedication and be involved in acquisition costs that include cleanup (such as
asbestos) or preparation.
Mr. Peabody stated that if a developer wanted to build, they would need to find a .68-acre of land
to ensure that they could proceed with their project. He acknowledged that the City would work
with the developers to locate land for dedication, combining several projects that could be done in
concert to develop a larger project of affordable housing.
Mr. Peabody advised the Commission that the City was currently partnering to provide 48 units of
senior housing behind the library.
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Cm. Johnson said that in order to accomplish the goals of the City, Option 3 appeared to be the best
option, and reaffirmed that this option would only be applicable in the case where the affordable
housing could not be built on the site of the development.
Mr. Peabody stressed the fact that it is the City's priority to provide affordable housing, and that
ultimately, the Council will decide whether or not to have a land dedication program.
There was discussion regarding the response from builders, and whether these units would be
"scattered" to prevent stigma attached to projects, or concentrating one income group in housing
development. Staff and the Commissioners agreed that it would be in the best interest of the
community to "scatter", and build affordable homes within the moderate and high priced homes.
Mr. Peabody mentioned that there could be situations where, by necessity for cost and use of land,
there could be concentrated affordable housing, but agreed that would be the exception when
possible. He stated that the City would obtain a non-profit organization's assistance once land had
been obtained for dedication use.
Cm. Jennings expressed interest in the success of the land dedication program.
Cm. Musser expressed approval of the program and stated that he would like the developers to
have the tools required to provide affordable housing.
Cm. Johnson asked if anyone wished to address the Commission.
Mr. Bob Harris stated that Option 3 was considerably a more expensive option than building the
units, and stated that, in his opinion, developers would not utilize this as an option due to the high
cost involed.
Cm. Johnson closed the public hearing and requested a motion to approve.
On motion by Cm. Jennings, seconded by Cm. Musser, and a vote of 5-0, the Planning Commission
unanimously approved:
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RESOLUTION NO. 02-43
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN
RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 8.68
OF THE DUBLIN MUNICIPAL CODE RELATING TO HOUSEHOLD INCOME,
AFFORDABLE HOUSEHOLD PRIORITIES AND LAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS
PA 01-038
Cm. Johnson asked if there is any other new or unfinished business.
NEW OR UNFINISHED BUSINESS
None
OTHER BUSINESS
Ms. Ram mentioned approval of the changes of Planning Commissioner term limits effective the
date of the last Council meeting, and the bylaws that were changed. There were questions
regarding whether the term limits would be retroactive, and Ms. Ram stated that she would follow
up and respond to each of the Commissioners by memo.
Ms. Ram discussed the future City Council and Planning Commission meeting items.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 9:50 p.m.
Respectfully sul~mitted,
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Planning .C~mmission Chairperson
ATTEST:
Plaru~ng Manager
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