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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC Minutes 08-23-1988 . ar • ~s~ • ~ Study Session - August 23, 1988 A Study Session of the City of Dublin Planning Commission was held on August 23, 1988, in the East Room of The Shannon Center. The meeting was called to order at 7:00 p.m, by Cm. Barnes, Chairman. ~ ~ ~ ~ ROLL CALL PRESENT: Commissioners Barnes, Burnham, and Mack, Laurence L. Tong, Planning Director, Maureen 0'Halloran, Senior Planner and Gail Ada.ms, Planning Secretary. ~ ~ ~ ~ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG There was no pledge of allegiance because there was no flag. ~ ~ ~ ~ ADDITIONS OR REVISIONS TO THE AGENDA None ~~~c~e MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING None ~ ~ ~ ~ ORAL COMMiJNICATIONS None ~~~c~ WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS None ~ ~ ~ ~ Regular Meeting PCM-7-145 August 23, 1988 . ~ ~ • • STUDY SESSION: SUBJECT: PA 87-045 Hansen Ranch General Plan Amendment Study, Planned Development Prezoning, Tentative Subdivision Map No. 5766, and Annexation request for 248 dwelling units on 147 acres, west of Silvergate Drive and north of Hansen Drive Cm. Barnes called for the Staff Report. Ms. 0'Halloran indicated that this item had been continued from the August l, 1988 Public Hearing Meeting and there had been a field trip to the site on August 20, 1988. She indicated that this study session was being held for the purpose of reviewing and gathering information regarding this project and for the Planning Commission to provide Staff and Applicant with additional direction. Ms. 0'Halloran indicated that there were two key issues that needed to be discussed; where to develop and how much to develop. She indicated that in addition to these two issues the Planning Commission needed to address various Environmental Impact Report and General Plan Amendment issues. Ms. 0'Halloran indicated that after all the issues had been addressed, the Planning Commission should direct Staff to prepare the appropriate resolutions and recommendations. She indicated that the Planning Commission would need to reconvene and proceed in a regular meeting format. Ms. 0'Halloran indicated that the Planning Commission may want to discuss the field trip or may have engineering questions that can be addressed to Lee Thompson, Public Works Director. Cm. Barnes indicated that she would like to hear public comments first before continuing. Cm. Burnham asked Lee Thompson the procedure on grading and dirt being moved from place to place. Lee Thompson indicated that there was a grading permit needed. He indicated that a soil's engineer was needed to supervise project and certify compaction and that water trucks would be used. Cm. Burnham indicated his concern about run-off. Mr. Thompson indicated that there would be storm drains and energy dissipators. He indicated that erosion control measures would be put in place and that hay bales would also be used. Gordon Brandt, 7402 Hansen, asked how much earth was actually being moved on- site and off-site. Regular Meeting PCM-7-146 August 23, 1988 . ~ ~ • Sid Cerates, Wilsey & Ham, indicated that 1.1 million yards was being moved with some of it being moved to the Valley Christian Center area. Mr. Jacoby indicated that the dirt was not being moved through town. Mr. Brandt indicated that the hay bales at Pulte were not effective and asked if there was any guarantees from the City or developer. Mr. Thompson indicated that there would be a City inspector on the Hansen site once a day. Gloria Kasdan, 11418 Winding Trail La.ne, indicated that there was a potential flood hazard due to obstructions and debris in creek bed. Mr. Thompson indicated that the channel is wide enough; however a power pole had fallen at the time of the flood. He indicated that there have not been any problems since then. He indicated that storm patrols would look into the problem and make sure the creek was maintained. Cm. Burnham asked what part of the creek was the responsibility of the property owners. Mr. Thompson said the property owners would be responsible for the creek on their own property. Mr. Jacoby indicated that hydrologic study had been done for a 100 year flood zone and recommendations were taken from the worst storm. He indicated that precautionary measures would be taken. Mr. Thompson indicated that the channel is designed to take wa:ter and that debris is causing problems. He indicated that the developer would take care of the clean-up and a homeowner's association would be set up as a requirement before building started. Harvey Scudder indicated his concern that homeowner's associations fail to do their duties; fees often go up and debris and garbage is around property. He indicated that someone should take responsibility of the open space, i.e, the City, Developer, East Bay Regional Park District, etc. Mr. Jacoby indicated that this situation is being looked into. He indicated that a letter had been submitted to the park district in regards to dedication. He indicated the willingness to dedicate 4 areas of the creek, keep it in a homeowner's association, have a landscape maintenance district, and that the City would have to decide. Mr. Brandt asked if the East Bay Regional Park District had taken any interest in the proposals. Mr. Jacoby indicated that the impression was that they were interested in the ridge area. Regular Meeting PCM-7-147 August 23, 1988 , . • • • Mr. Tong indicated that the City Staff has had informal discussions with the Park District Staff; however no formal discussions have occurred with the City Council. John Trazio, 11414 Winding Trails, indicated his concern with allergic reactions caused by moving large amounts of dirt and carbon dioxide caused by traffic congestion. Bob Hansen was concerned with the meadow and location of the road at the rear of the townhouses. Dave Gates discussed where the road would be and showed the area on the wall maps. He indicated that the trees and landscaping would be a minimum of 15 feet wide for privacy. Karen Rutherfall asked if the creek bed and oak trees would be affected. Mr. Gates indicated that the oak trees would stay. He indicated that the new trees were quick growing and would be 20 feet in 4-5 years. A man in the audience indicated that in order to prevent noise problems, a soundwall would be needed instead of the trees. Mr. Jacoby indicated that the road was 25 feet from the property line. Audience indicated their concern over cutting down trees around creek. Mr. Gates indicated that trees were not being cut down except for where the road crosses the creek. Mr. Tong clarified the area of concern on the wall maps. Cm. Barnes indicated that she has been to the area in question three times and had numerous pictures. A person in the audience asked if Hansen Drive would become 2 or 4 lanes and if there would be a stop sign put in. Mr. Cerates indicated that there would be 2 lanes - single lane in each direction. Rene Graham, 11412 Winding Trails, indicated her concern on traffic congestion as there would be at least 1,000 trips x 2 cars per family which would equal 2,000 trips. A person in the audience asked who was going to pay for the damage on Silvergate Drive when the roads would be torn up by the heavy equipment. Mr. Thompson indicated that repairs would be borne by the developer and it would be required that the road through the Valley Christian Center be used. Mr. Jacoby indicated that they rarely tear up major streets and the developer would be responsible for repairs. Regular Meeting PCM-7-14$ August 23, 1988 , . ~ • ~ Cm. Burnham indicated that there is always that saying "who gets there first". If the Hansen project had been developed first, then there would be concerned citizens regarding the Kaufman & Broad project. He indicated that a developer could not guarantee a view. Mr. Grandt indicated that he had been misinformed in regards to the view. He indicated that he was not dead set against the development; he was more against the scope and intensity of the project, and the saturation of development. Mr. Trazio indicated his concern on carbon dioxide problems and the road development. Ms. Cleo Davidson indicated that no matter what, there would be development and change was inevitable. She would like to see everyone work together, protect the environment, iron out problems and save the trees. She indicated that once the development is started there would be no turning back. Cm. Burnham asked about the financial liability concerns regarding the creek area. Mr. Tong indicated that there would be some maintenance and police concerns and City liabilities would increase, not decrease. Cm. Burnham indicated that he does not want to see fences surrounding the creek area. He indicated that if Zone 7 takes over, there would be no access to creek. Mr. Jacoby indicated that the creek would have to be dedicated/accepted by the City to enable the creek to be used by the public. An individual in the audience asked if there would be flood gates and other improvements such as concrete bricks. Mr. Jacoby clarified that there would be drop structures, not flood gates for flood control. He indicated that the creek would be kept as natural as possible and there would be trails in creek area. Robert Patterson, 11552 Rolling Hills Drive, indicated that there would eventually be more development on the hills and this creek would become a canal. He indicated his preference of having lower density housing on the west side of Highway 680. Mr. Brandt asked what would happen if the City does not accept the creek and how would the creek be controlled. Mr. Jacoby indicated that there were different ways of controlling this area. He indicated that a homeowner's association could be developed, or East Bay Regional Park District could be in control of it. Regular Meeting PGM-7-149 August 23, 1988 . • . Mr. Jacoby discussed the townhome area, the proposed cut and fill areas, buffer areas, access roads for emergencies, loop road, grading, custom lots, etc. He indicated that he would like to see the meadow on knolls and swales preserved as much as possible, and to improve the Valley Christian Center road access. A person in the audience asked about the density on the buildable lot areas. Mr. Jacoby indicated that there were 53 acres of buildable acreage, which included the custom lots and 34 townhomes. A person in the audience indicated that he believed there should be a lower density ratio. Mr. Jacoby indicated that the density of the townhomes was consistent with the General Plan policies of the City. Mr. Trazio asked if the fire department has been involved. Mr. Jacoby indicated that he had talked with the fire department. At this time Mr. Jacoby handed out docwnents showing EIR comments and mitigation measures. Ms. Davidson indicated that she was happy to see residents speaking out and this will cause changes to be made. Mr. Tong indicated that the Staff, Applicant and agencies have had discussions; however, he cannot confirm the findings in Mr. Jacoby's handout. Cm. Burnham asked about the fire department's access. Mr. Jacoby indicated that there would be gates to restrict access and that there would be an all-weather road. Cm. Burnham asked about the road on the other side of the creek. Mr. Jacoby indicated that the bridge across the creek was designed to meet emergency access needs. A person in the audience asked what the construction hours would be and that they were concerned about the noise. Mr. Tong indicated that the standard working hours would be from 7:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m, on weekdays and a permit would have to be issued from the City Engineer for weekend work. The Planning Commission asked what a"CO hot spot" was. Mr. Jacoby indicated that hot spots were monitored in the Valley for potential areas exceeding pollution limitations. Regular Meeting PCM-7-150 August 23, 1988 , ~ ~ Mr. Trazio indicated that the grading could cause health problems. Mr. Jacoby indicated that the construction would not exceed health standards. Mr. Tong indicated that with previous developments in the area there were requests from nearby neighborhoods for sir quality to be monitored. He stated that the area had been monitored and there would be enough dust to irritate; however no violations occurred. He indicated that there will be some complaints and the Applicant could be cited for any violations occuring. Ms. LaBar, 11707 Jaurez Lane, indicated that that the dust could be controlled. Ms. Davidson indicated her concern about removing the trees and this would cause dust and pollution problems. Cm. Burnham asked about the 36~ of trees being removed and how many would be put back. Mr. Jacoby indicated that there was a 2-1 ratio in slope areas and there was a 2-1 replacement range for homes and street trees. He indicated that there was a list of species of trees available. Cm. Barnes indicated that the Planning Commission would like to move on to "how much" to develop. Mr. Jacoby indicated that he was in the process of preparing slides and was hoping that he could discuss this part of the property at tomorrow's meeting. Renee Graham, 11420 Winding Trail Lane, was concerned about some contradictions within the Fish & Game document. Mr. Jacoby indicated he disagreed with some of the issues presented in the Fish & Game letter. Ms. Davidson asked what the red strips on the trees were for. Mr. Gates indicated that the red strips were survey markers and that most of the big trees were being saved. Mr. Jacoby indicated that there was a tree count done. A person from the audience requested a copy of the air quality study and was concerned about the way the study had been done. He asked if the study was done at ground levels, above automobiles or in light of the access road going in. Mr. Jacoby indicated that he did not do the study and he believed the study was done as the road is now. Mr. Tong indicated that the Draft EIR and Final EIR were available for the public; either at the Planning Department or they could be checked out at the Library. Regular Meeting PCM-7-151 August 23, 1988 1 , • ~ A person in the audience indicated that equipment should be put on the back decks of the homes where the road would be and that he would like insurance that there would be no exhaust fumes. Cm. Burnham asked the Applicant his feeling on the buffer setbacks. Mr. Jacoby indicated that there was a 30 foot setback and the creek setback would vary. Cm. Burnham stated that the letter from Fish & Game recommended 100 feet; however the EIR recommends 30 feet. Mr. Gates stated that the figures in the letter were unusual. Mr. Tong indicated that he had received the letter from Ms. LaBar and that the letter had not gone through the State Clearing House as was usual procedure. Mr. Tong indicated that the Planning Commission needed to look at the issues presented and give the Staff direction on how to proceed. He indicated that if the Planning Commission was not ready, that we can continue discussion at the next scheduled meeting. Cm. Burnham asked what the engineering department felt about the fill-in areas. Mr. Tong indicated that this was feasible to do from an engineering standpoint; however, it goes against City policy. Cm. Burnham asked the Applicant if he agreed with the engineering feasibility. Mr. Jacoby stated yes, it was possible and that a soils engineering could be on the job. Cm. Barnes indicated that there could be a conflict with tomorrow's meeting and that Staff needed to check with Cm. Tempel regarding his schedule. She indicated that if there was not a quorum for tomorrow's meeting that this item could be continued to the September 6th meeting. A person in the audience asked if there was any anticipated start date for the project. Mr. Jacoby indicated that he was hoping he could start construction next year. ~ ~ ~ ~ NEW BUSINESS OR UNFINISHED BUSINESS None Regular Meeting PCM-7-152 August 23, 1988 ~ ~ ti ~ ~ ~ ~l' . OTHER BUSINESS None ~ ~ ~ * PLANNING COMMISSIONERS' CONCERNS None ~ ~ ~ ~ ADJOURNMENT There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 9:18 p.m. * * ~ ~ Resp fully subm tted ~ Planning Commis ' a erson Laurence L. Tong Planning Director ~~~c~ Regular Meeting PCM-7-153 August 23, 1988